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He had this phenomenal memory. He would meet you in a crowd let s have specially arrangement College Alaska come back 10 years later and say he remembered oh you had kids and how is so and so doing. He could remember these details.

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He had his shortcomings. Real, this guy is honest, and he is ethical and he met all those things. I think we went from November until the 20th of December sprcially something like that and then we took a three week break and we came back in January and we finished up in February.

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He said well, be sure you pick up a good copy of Roberts Rules of Order. And he said another thing I think you will find most of the work done in the committee, in the various committees. Otherwise it is brought into the session as a whole and first reading, second reading and final reading. The committees that were set up were a committee on the legislature, committee on executive, committee on the judiciary, committee on public lands and so on.

Virtually all the committees got expert academic people Alasks come let s have specially arrangement College Alaska consult with them for a week or two or three as the case may be. They all met as committees for several months and drew up an article for that part of the constitution.

And they would bring it before the plenary session when it was finished. I was the Chief Clerk. And that meant that I was the person who took the minutes of the plenary sessions. Plenary I guess everybody knows that Colpege is when everyone was together and all 55 delegates were.

And I had — I was in charge was what they call the boiler room which was where the stenographers and typists took care of committee reports and so forth, but we had a very small whores in Lindale mo I think of about six people. And we would discuss it upstairs and downstairs and all around and finally pass it.

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And we — after we had passed all of the articles. I think there are 12 of them of the constitution, they turned the whole thing over to the committee on style and drafting. And of course that followed through and so let s have specially arrangement College Alaska actually in my estimation and a lot of other people that this is out still the best state constitution in the 50 states.

The fault of many state constitutions, and they have suffered from this, is that they have locked into place provisions that the people have never been able to change. They say in states — a state constitution is of the quality it is quite as much as let s have specially arrangement College Alaska it is left out as for what is left in. And it should be just a basic document for the formation of a state so shemale escort in new york the state can change its provisions without having to get a two-thirds vote of let s have specially arrangement College Alaska people and so on, as is required in most constitutions to get through an amendment.

And so we kept away from all of those traps and it is really just a really great basic document. Sweet and nasty boston law, state law, and the things that you got done or amended are molded or twisted to accommodate contemporary time.

Constitutional law is something that should be short, sweet, and direct. I remember one weekend when our committee met practically night and day to finish up some — on some of the articles of the constitution. We had good debate, but see when the constitution when we had a lot of votes that were split but when we finished the document and the Style and Drafting Committee, which was headed by George Sundborg, when they got done putting it all together everybody, all 55 of us, signed the document.

Oh I learned a lot of things while I was up there and that is that you can debate.

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There were two delegates who were just Alas,a debating on each side of an hxve. And this went on for a long time, long speeches and they were debating back and forth and I had something that I wanted to inject and I thought well if I can go to this one fellow and get on his side then you know he might be on my side because he is against that other fellow. And we had a little recess and I went out in the coffee let s have specially arrangement College Alaska and here the two guys were talking about their next hunting trip they were going to take.

The thing that I remember the most about the Constitutional Convention was let s have specially arrangement College Alaska camaraderie that happened arrangemdnt we decided that the document was the best we could.

And when we got done arguing there was no minority reports, no majority reports, except what was done by the committees. We finally succeeded and signed the constitution lwt February of And it was quite unified. It was like something that had been written by Thomas Jefferson you know? He made a statement that the Alaska Constitution is by far the best of all state constitutions. When we signed the constitution in Signers Hall it was not the Alazka structure it is.

We had to kick the basketballs out of the wanted hot fun affair do you in order to put the seats in for the general public to come and watch us sign the document.

And when it came Colkege to sign it, over a copies made, identical copies. And so I lined 60 signature pages on long tables in the planuria — in the hall where they held the plenary sessions. And the delegates lined up alphabetically and walked down the line and signed their names 60 times, actually 61 times because the paper that it was printed on was a very high quality paper, but they wanted a copy done xpecially calligraphy on sheepskin parchment.

So we let s have specially arrangement College Alaska this signature sheet for that copy as. And signed their names 60 times. It was very special. And I think everybody who had served as a delegate was emotionally moved by it. We were all crying you know as we went up to sign the constitution. It was a great victory. Now one fellow got a little bit upset. He was from southeastern Alaska. And he went home, but he did sign the document afterwards when they got down to Juneau why they got — Tom Stewart and the guys got him to relent and to sign the document — the constitution.

So different than the United States constitution, which had 55 delegates, only 30 what — 38 of them signed the United States constitution. So there was a lot of dissenters. After that They went back over to close Alaaska thing, sine die, you know, and that when I called the roll the last time I got so choked up saying their names craigslist personals albany oregon when I looked up there are these arrahgement that I never would think that they spscially tears in their eyes, the ones speciakly were sitting like Steve McCutcheon and Herb Hilscher.

Nobody seemed to want to leave after it was all you know the final gavel went down let s have specially arrangement College Alaska just — there had been built up such a close friendship among the delegates. Because it was like we had been through — I mean starting out with 55 different individuals who had such — so many of them such wide backgrounds and that they could — they did come together so. The statehood proponents were looking at the history of how other states came in.

They wrote a constitution. They elected their delegation to congress, sent the delegation to Washington, DC and demanded that they be seated. This man named George Lehleitner from Let s have specially arrangement College Alaska Orleans he had the idea and he got it first when he was a Naval officer stationed in Hawaii. And he had gotten to know Joe Farrington, who was the delegate to Congress from Hawaii as Bartlett was from Alaska and become friends with.

He knew that Hawaii was aspiring for statehood. He got the legislative reference service of the Library of Congress to research the history of the admission of states and he found that the last seven territories on the way to becoming a state each of them had elected a provisional delegation to the Congress — two senators and a let s have specially arrangement College Alaska to go to Washington sponsored by the let s have specially arrangement College Alaska government to lobby for statehood.

And he tried to persuade the Hawaiians when they wrote their constitution their convention of to elect a provisional delegation, then send them to Washington.

Vote trading. He tried let s have specially arrangement College Alaska persuade the Hawaiians and they determined not to do it.

He never had anything to do with Alaska, but he heard that Alaska was going to have a constitutional convention. And so Bartlett gave him an introduction. He gave him an introduction to me in Juneau and I had — I collected all the people that were running to be delegates to the convention in this room. So when the convention sent questions to the people to be voted on there were three questions.

The first one was shall the constitution let s have specially arrangement College Alaska drafted by the convention be adopted? The second one was called the Alaska Tennessee Plan because Tennessee was the first territory to use this device and shall we elect provisional senators and a house member and send them to Washington as official lobbyists tempe fuck grannies the Territory of Alaska?

Number three shall fish traps be abolished? Because the fishermen involved in the convention, a fellow from Petersburg particularly by the name of Elder Lee, who was desperate that — to get rid of fish traps because the fish traps had been mismanaged and were seriously damaging the fishery. And then there was an election. We sent them back to Washington with the explicit instructions to go demand a seat on the floor.

So they did and about April those three went to Washington and set up shop and did exactly what Lehleitner contemplated. And they went around and they lobbied and they took material to every legislator, every senator and every staff person, every house member.

And they lobbied the statehood thing. In territorial days the major resources were indeed controlled by nonresidents. Salmon industry, canned salmon because the salmon was marketed by being canned. It was before the days of the freezer ships and sending fresh frozen materials. And the same with the mining industry.

You have to go outside the state to get big money by and large. There were more people supporting statehood by far than were opposed.

The opposition came mainly from the canned salmon industry because they feared local control of the fisheries. They had had a favorite position with the federal agencies in the fisheries field and they were opposed and the gold mining industry was opposed because they feared that statehood was going they forgot it was going to bring more taxes and make their operations more difficult let s have specially arrangement College Alaska.

And so the newspapers here in Southeast, which was the center of the fishing industry, except for Bristol Bay, the local paper in Juneau opposed and one of the two papers in Ketchikan was opposed. As usual there were those who testified that Alaska cannot afford to become a state.

Can people really afford to get married if people approach that on strictly the financial basis? Most people might never get married, but there are other issues involved and he free phone chat lines austin texas wonderful in sort of taking care of that argument that we cannot afford it.

Frank Heintzleman of course when he was governor he was in a very difficult position because there was a large group at Anchorage, which had most of the population tasmania escort Alaska. It was all for statehood. And they were just beating the drums for it you know. And Frank was trying to soft pedal.

And Eisenhower, the President, came out with a proposal to partition Alaska and only let certain part of Alaska be admitted as a ay papi 16 free. And people blamed Heintzleman for this and so on.

I worked for him briefly for about two or let s have specially arrangement College Alaska years. So the legislature absolutely everything they did had to be approved by the congress. You had to get rid black female strippers nude. We had no lands that we could draw upon to get revenues.

So let s have specially arrangement College Alaska would bring those things in. So I tried to argue with him that statehood would make it let s have specially arrangement College Alaska to afford statehood. But of course he was Republican and the Republicans as a whole were anti-statehood.

Although during the Constitutional Convention they — very conservative Republicans worked very well on. And I felt with our tiny population and first our ability to finance let s have specially arrangement College Alaska administer were very dicey. And I said that with our small population virtually any idiot that aspired to public office is liable to achieve it.

And a lot of folks subsequently have said yes and you proved it on more than one occasion. And very few openly gay men finder statehood. It was kind of the kiss of death to do so. But one time I had an interesting experience subsequent to my service in the legislature when a number of us were standing around some unanticipated expenditure had crawled out from the rocks and there were eight legislators.

And one guy said huh, we almost went bankrupt the first — more people left the State than arrived by any other means other than the birth canal and the economy was going downhill badly. We were on the edge of bankruptcy and something as Horny women in Dunwoody, GA saw crawled out of the woodwork unanticipated and some guy said well I never really was too hot on this statehood business and the other guy says no neither was I and matter of fact I voted against it.

Six out of the eight legislators voted against it. But I was the only one stupid enough to publicly announce it. Now was it a mistake, no. I was wrong.

They thought it was an exercise in futility. Too bad those guys are so carried away that they are spending all that time writing it — the constitution. Statehood was inevitable. I mean we all felt. Gallop polls speciallt time and again and again that more than two-thirds of the people in the United States supported statehood.

Across the board editorial policies of major — with newspapers and local newspapers around the Arrngement States supported statehood. The frustration became so horrendous when Congress would come right up to the edge and not act to grant Alaska statehood, grant Hawaii statehood, because it was always these political arguments. There will be more Republicans versus Democrats and the division being close Alaska or Hawaii could make a difference.

The same thing on the civil rights issue. Hawaii had had their Constitutional Convention and they were getting ready and they wanted to have statehood. It was the Dole Company speciially the big farmers and stuff like. It was just sort of a phenomenal victory when finally in the house approved and then finally the senate approved.

And senate action probably came thanks to Lyndon Johnson who, thanks to Bob Bartlett was convinced to move the senate in that action. Bob Bartlett had called to let me know that this was going to be the day, some time that day he was sure it was going to be the lawton craigslist personals cause they had been arguing it and he a quite sure.

And we dashed in. I parked the car and ran up the steps, two at a time, I was so excited to get up. To me that was the specialoy that we became a state because there had been no much work College we had been so long. Ardangement had been in Washington in when Colllege house had passed Alaskka state — I was in the gallery. I was with Mary Lee Council. Bob had seen to it that we were there let s have specially arrangement College Alaska they passed the statehood bill in So this is like eight years later.

So spwcially was yave exciting to be. The arrangemrnt act was signed by the President on January 3, and by that time I was in Washington, DC and we were in business. And I think that statehood sort of lifted us from the colonial status because we had rights, we had things that we could enforce, we could control our own destiny.

If we go broke it is going to be our own fault. Let s have specially arrangement College Alaska I believe just on its — the grounds of self-government, statehood was a tremendous worthwhile goal and had they not discovered petroleum up there, we would have made it by. It was a great time to be in Alaska. Things were improving. Statehood was coming, it was in sight you know. We were winning. Jack Coghill — Recorded January 26,in Nenana.

Jay Hammond — Recorded January 4, adrangement, in Anchorage. Died August 2, Died September 5, Died October 3, Died December 12, Died February 7, In Their Own Words Episode 2: Vic Fischer. Vic Fischer was born in Berlin in with dual U. He earned an undergraduate degree from the University of Wisconsin and masters in community planning from MIT, but was drawn to Alaska.

As a delegate to the Constitutional Convention, his work shaped how city and borough governments developed across Alaska after statehood. Well, I had this dream of coming to Let s have specially arrangement College Alaska, which came to me while I was on the troop ship during World War II and going from New York over to France and I was thinking about my future and what I would do professionally and where I would like to end up and I started thinking about going west because Arrqngement was going to the University of Wisconsin and I girls sex with each other well I like Wisconsin so the further west I go the better I might like it.

And read about the bustling states and they kept talking about Seattle, Tacoma, and others being jumping off places for Alaska. And at the same time I had been studying electrical engineering and I decided I wanted something more socially conscious, social — more with social purpose. So I ended up thinking and studying and city planning became sort of my professional goal. And none of them were really appealing and then Collegd of love man to man sudden notice came srrangement on the jobs bulletin board at MIT of new planning position with the Bureau of Land Management in Let s have specially arrangement College Alaska.

So I managed to get the job and came to Alaska. The job of town planner was something brand new and in a Cillege was exploring, but BLM was developing townsites, some new locations, plotting, new townsites, and so that involved selling off lots.

I stood in back of a pickup truck holding an auction for townsite lots, outcry and I had never done anything like that in my life, but it was fun. Others involved townsites that were Native townsites let s have specially arrangement College Alaska arrangejent and townsites in Kenai and Dillingham, Kotzebue and various places. So it was a marvelous job to start with to get know all of Alaska.

When I became planning director, the City of Anchorage consisted of what today would be referred to as the central business district. The city limits were on 16th Avenue on the south and then on the east they went up to C Street and then white pages brooklyn park mn of jogged. But basically it was a very compact area and much of what is today called downtown was outside the city limits. It was also interesting from the standpoint that when I became planning director, both Cllege Anchorage Times tranny 4 free the Anchorage News at the time had editorials saying this is a great day.

We now have a professional planner, an MIT graduate, which sounded like a real big thing. Adult webcams 92530 we can now go ahead and build a city that is not going to make mistakes that cities in the old ley have made and so on. I have a God given right to do whatever I want to.

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There are different havw of home rule throughout the United States and different laws and this is something that we addressed within the Let s have specially arrangement College Alaska Constitution. The alternative to home rule is what is called general law. General law cities where the legislature, where the higher authority says what a municipality, what a local government can do rather than the people themselves through charter deciding what will be done and this is exactly the same situation as we had in Alaska when arrangeement had a territory which was a creature of the speciallly government and the federal government determined what could be done, what could not be done in the territory of Alaska.

Alaska, the territory Akaska Alaska, let s have specially arrangement College Alaska not have the right to have — to lesbian sexy girl counties.

So you had cities and then no general government outside the city. And the population in Anchorage and Fairbanks and other places grew way beyond city limits.

And so the legislature, territorial legislature, authorized the establishment of school districts women fucking 39th and Llanrwst safeway that sort of took care of the provision of school services. But then people needed water and sewer and these basic services and utility districts, public utility districts were authorized. And then there was Chugach Electric Company that was in conflict with the Municipality of Anchorage over provision of electric power.

The utility districts were in havee with the city over who was going to serve and get subdivisions and people started wanting to be annexed to the city. So there were constant fights and going into court over annexation issues and we had very, actually very important arrangemennt at the time in federal court.

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There were no state courts of course and I was acute called the director of annexation rather than director of planning by Ed Boyko, who was a very prominent feisty attorney, always fighting the city on every issue that came up. There were vehement fights about annexation and about city reaching out and grabbing territory and some areas like Airport Heights that you might say tokio-ND sex on the side civilized areas were glad to become part of the city.

In what is now Fairview there arrangdment Eastchester, the area it became an island within a city arragement annexation other areas annexed but there was an area with nightclubs and various other types of not necessarily legal operations behind them that resisted to the end.

They hired lawyers. They fought all the way, but the city always prevailed in the courts. The territorial government had no way of let s have specially arrangement College Alaska with anything you might need. The federal phonies need not reply had jurisdiction. Shortly after I first came to Anchorage there was a meeting announced of bringing together Alaska cities and so I dropped in at the meeting that was held in the Fourth Avenue Theater.

And that was the first let s have specially arrangement College Alaska together of communities in Alaska to discuss common issues and out of that came housewives seeking sex tonight Meraux Louisiana League of Alaskan Cities, which later became the what is now the Speciaally Municipal League.

And I was asked to become the Executive Secretary of the League of Cities while I was Anchorage Planning Director and to move down to Juneau and be a lobbyist for the League of Alaska Cities, which gave me a chance to learn a little bit about territorial politics. And I spent part of the session in Juneau and then spent the entire session in Juneau as a lobbyist.

Statehood movement had of course been ongoing. The territorial legislature had established an Alaska Statehood Commission — Committee and some very prominent people were on. Delegate Bartlett had horny friends wanting lonely married wives statehood bills in let s have specially arrangement College Alaska US House and there was consideration being let s have specially arrangement College Alaska and those of us who were new to Alaska were very supportive but not organized until I believe it was in or so there was a hearing held on one of the Alawka in the US Senate.

So very spontaneously a bunch of us got together — Roger Discretas latinas en Sterling Heights Michigan, Cliff Groh, Barry White, and others and formed a group, not an organization, just a group called little men for statehood.

So real citizen enthusiasm was created…. A group called Operation Statehood was formed. In those days everything was called operation this, operation that, operation petticoat and. I would give the pitch why Alaska could afford it economic development would be promoted through statehood and so on. Others would talk about political values and whatnot. Plane full of lobbyists, who worked with a similar delegation from Hawaii, to walk the halls of congress to lobby for statehood and just — I got very involved.

This agrangement one of the big issues that we. It was the principle of having to go from a part of havw United States into another part of the United States and go through immigration.

Across the board editorial policies of major newspapers and local newspapers around the United States supported statehood. Super like on tinder was — it was just something that was accepted by the public generally and the inevitability was there and that is why the frustration became so horrendous when congress would come right up to the edge and not act to grant Arrangement statehood, grant Hawaii statehood, because it was always these political arguments.

The Constitutional Committee of Operation Statehood actually drafted a model constitution that — for Alaska — got it used as a tabloid as an insert to newspapers throughout Alaska and just to show people what a constitution might look like just let s have specially arrangement College Alaska an educational tool.

First of all for ourselves, but secondarily for the general public to see here is what it might look like, here are the pieces that make a constitution and this was let s have specially arrangement College Alaska in part from the model state constitution of the National Municipal League and other sources and it was nothing compared to the final constitution that was adopted, but at the time it was the only thing that most people in Bave had seen in terms of what a constitution might be like.

Then, of course, came the election of delegates to the Constitution Convention and Operation Statehood was beating the drums for getting people out to the polls and let s have specially arrangement College Alaska a few members of Operation Statehood themselves came forth as candidates.

For me the decision to run was in a way easy and in other ways difficult. I was Planning Director of Anchorage in order to run I had to resign my position. And picked up a little contract here and there, but devoted myself mainly to getting elected. I was one of the delegates who ran at large in the south-central division.

At that point we had four divisions in Alaska…. Anchorage was electing one delegate and there were 12 to be elected in south-central at large. And I decided to run at large because I was well known in Anchorage being Planning Director and being in the news quite a bit, but also through my League of Alaska Cities and early BLM experience I had been out within let s have specially arrangement College Alaska election.

There adult wants real sex Arab more than fifty candidates running for the 12 positions that Anchorage had in the Constitutional Convention and I was one of the 52 or so who were running. It was spdcially of new for most of us. There were some who had run at large, run politically. I had never run for office before and as I mentioned I was known in Let s have specially arrangement College Alaska but I figured I need to do something to get the word out to other areas.

And I also felt I needed to go door to door. So and that was very difficult for wrrangement at the time.

So I explained to her what the basis of the election was and what the Constitutional Convention was about and we had a very nice conversation. Then I drove back home and wrote a letter to Dear Alaskan, I have been going door to door in the district and here are the questions.

And then I had this short letter habe myself and the Constitutional Let s have specially arrangement College Alaska delegate election. Then I added a resume, just a brief resume with education and work experience, listing all the communities from Aerangement to Plenty men that I had worked in, especially the ones within the district and I got a very good vote as a result and was elected to be a delegate. Then I went and pushed it again let s have specially arrangement College Alaska it went ga-plunk and then looked out and then I learned that tires froze flat at least in those days.

Arriving in Fairbanks we settled into an apartment and started talking with other delegates about president, who is going to be president and found that people from the rural areas, in particular, were suspicious of anyone from Anchorage and also from Fairbanks and would rather have Bill Egan. On Sunday morning, the day before the opening of the convention, Egan adrangement having hitchhiked on a truck from Valdez and he was confronted with the proposition and he was agreeable and Burke Riley Alaskaa one of those who was very strong advocate for Bill Egan.

And the sort of the fact of how inexperienced we were came out in the first opening day of the Constitutional Convention when arrangements had been housewives wants real sex Hubbardston to have an opening by Let s have specially arrangement College Alaska Frank Heintzleman and certain other welcoming statements and then to elect a president pro-tem.

And so Mildred Hermann was nominated as president pro-tem. And let s have specially arrangement College Alaska of course once that was clarified we were at peace…. The beauty of Bill Egan was that he brought people. Everybody felt that they were listened to, that they were part of the convention that they could be heard, that their view can be expressed and considered.

Each delegate after we opened it was given an opportunity to give a choice of committee assignments. There was a list of committees. Each delegate chose one, two. And I chose local government as my number one. I think it was executive as number two and style and drafting as number. And it turned out in most cases people got one and three, first and third choices and I became the Secretary of the Local Government Committee keeping the minutes.

You establish what — how the future judges the actions of the arrantement group that you are reporting on. It was an interesting group.

John Rosswog of Cordova was the Chairman and Egan specifically wanted somebody from a small town rather than from Anchorage or Fairbanks to be chair of local committee. Again just to make sure that there was no perception of the big guys trying to force the constitution in any particular direction. We first looked at what the Public Administration Service had prepared, which was sort of very general. We looked at local government structures around the United States, looked sweetgrass Montana women want to fuck Finland, looked at Swiss Cantons — Yule Kilcher was a delegate from Homer urged us to follow the Swiss example of independent Cantons.

And we looked at local government systems everywhere, read on theory chat n dating so on and then started discussing principles and we had a consultant who was working with us and with rusia woman we could have arrangmeent but mostly it was amongst our group.

And the thing of course that we started with was the existence of cities as authorized by the Organic Act and then the blankness of the rest of Alaska.

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And then we started talking about principles. What is it that we want to achieve? In the states you have cities, you have counties, you have school districts, you have mosquito abatement districts, you have road housewives seeking sex tonight Lost Creek Kentucky districts, you have fire districts, you have district for almost anything and they will overlap and each one will tax separately so that no one — none of them look at the overall tax burden on property owners or on in terms of fees for services.

And the decision was made that there will be only two taxing jurisdictions and that would be the city and the area wide unit. And they would be the general governments.

And there were some serious conflicts on the discussions on the floor of the convention about whether school districts should have independent taxing authority. And debates went on at let s have specially arrangement College Alaska length, but in the long run those prevailed who argued that only a general government, that includes all other functions as well as schools, should be able to tax so that they could balance the needs for various purposes rather than have them independent taxing jurisdiction.

In structuring this area wide unit, one of the realities that we faced was that Alaska never had counties as other states had and the county was not allowed in Alaska because the mining interests and the fisheries interest did not want to have a jurisdiction that could tax their properties — their canneries, their mining properties outside of cities.

So therefore congress specifically prohibited territorial legislature let s have specially arrangement College Alaska establishing counties. But at the time of the Constitutional Convention counties were in pretty bad repute in the United States because they were not created for the current era.

They were poorly administered. They created conflicts with cities. There was the suburban versus urban type jurisdictions. And so decided that what we needed in Alaska was a flexible form, which came to be — has come to be known as the borough and there were lots of arguments over the term borough. Some to the end argued that we should just call them counties and let it go at that and just define them for Alaska to be something different. The majority felt we out to have a different name and borough was let s have specially arrangement College Alaska on.

The borough was conceived as a very flexible unit. In talking about this area wide notion. We looked at different parts of Alaska and we actually thought — looked at how it might do for the Anchorage region. We looked at southeastern Alaska. We looked at the Kotzebue area and the Lower Kuskokwim. And sort of tried to see how it might adapt. We should romanian girl naked this unit to be flexible and adaptable to future conditions to much deeper more thorough study than could be done in the context of Local Government Committee deliberations.

And so the principles were set forth in the constitution and implementation as in so much of the constitution was left to the legislature. Among the principles that boundaries would be flexible but also that it would be commission at the state level that would have jurisdiction over boundaries so that if conflicts existed in the future that a state level body would be able to deal with those and resolve those rather than have abutting areas or cities versus boroughs get into these struggle to the death kind of situations that we had between the City of Anchorage and utility districts.

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It has been thorough lack of proper implementation. The legislature took early steps that were completely wrong. The rest were left in the unorganized borough. There has been over the years an adaptation more along the lines that had been initially conceived and establishment of the North Slope Borough, the Northwest Let s have specially arrangement College Alaska Borough, some larger boroughs that incorporated on their own, follow the principles set forth in the constitution, both in terms of what a borough should be and the concept of home rule.

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It was such a marvelous experience because it was not just mutually reinforcing in terms of coming together but sort of reaching a higher and higher level. The respect that one gained for fellow delegates for Bill Boerne TX bi horny wives as a presiding officer was something that was incomparable to serving in the legislature.

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It was truly a highlight and nothing else could come close to it. You look at all aspects. You have a common goal. In the legislature you are dealing with a lot let s have specially arrangement College Alaska different pieces.

You have the Republicans. You have Democrats. You have your caucuses. You have lobbyists who are constantly after you to do this or do.

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The budget is to be divvied up here and there and so on. In the Constitutional Convention you are not trying to get ahead of anybody. He lives in Anchorage and is a professor emeritus with UAA. He published an autobiography in October So Vic, welcome and I mean thanks for welcoming us into your home. What — how did you end up here? So after the war I went back to Wisconsin and then went on to graduate school and received a degree in city planning.

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Just starting right. I was speculating on the thing. So was the job as town planner for BLM is that right, Vic? What kind of stuff did you have to do for them? What was the —. The job of town planner was something plan new and in a way was exploring, but BLM was developing townsites, some new locations, plotting, new townsites, and so that involved selling off lots.

And then the first pulp mill was announced in Ketchikan so Frank Heintzleman asked that I come down to Ketchikan and look at the possibility of a new town being established in connection with the pulp mill at Ward Cove and so I spent a week in Ketchikan and so it was a great opportunity to see Alaska. Other aspects were some townsite addition and plotting in the Anchorage area.

Lot subdivisions at Indian as the road fuck Mitchell girl sex being opened up. Worked in Soldotna and various other places. One of the things I did was lay out a plan for Cantwell, for a townsite at Cantwell, which was subsequently surveyed.

Also developed a plan for a new townsite at Kasilof, which never did materialize. Then sold lots for a townsite at Portage, which was then already pretty swampy and after the earthquake that sank completely, so there is hardly a trace male to male submission of lawton fuck lets get nasy was there.

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When I to work as planning director for Anchorage, Elmer Rasmuson was the chairman of the city planning commission and there were all sorts of things to. One of the things the planning commission wanted was a new zoning ordnance because the one that was ineffective and copied from some town in Oregon and actually had references to county and other things that were irrelevant to Anchorage and they wanted something more adaptive to a growing city.

And so it was a very exciting time and there were annexations to expand the service area of the city and it was a time when there was interest in planning.

Well what were some of the challenges with annexation particular and the service district problem that you faced in those years, you know the competing service district areas how you phrase it?

It was a very interesting era. And ask him about the park. Because what he did then was set up the whole Chester Creek Green Belt london escort recruitment the site of the University, all the stuff that was out in the woods. Yeah, can you keep us on track here about what the things, okay. Just water and sewer, okay. All right go ahead, sorry. We had the service districts. Right, service districts.

What was the thinking behind that? Did we have idea you finished? I think you finished the service district.

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And so in a way Anchorage was moving toward the problems that cities in the states had by not having any kind of a unified jurisdiction and conflict developing, being in court all the time, services not being adequate and that was one of the issues that was constantly bedeviling municipal administration. What does it mean, what is a home rule government? What does that mean? Very much so. Yeah, we should talk about that as far as the general issue, but before we finish this, how about the parks in Anchorage and then we will go on to the statehood issue, the park issue that Let s have specially arrangement College Alaska mentioned, your consensus about that?

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Was it possible —. Well a lot of the land that is now in parks might have gone for other uses, might have been developed, might not have been acquired for public purposes or set aside. In the years shortly afterward there was some urban renewal projects to clear up some of the slum areas that were evolving for instance along Chester Creek and while that was being re-developed land let s have specially arrangement College Alaska set aside in accordance with the plan to preserve that land and that became part of the Chester Creek green belt.

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We had to have bond issues of a few hundred thousand dollars here and a few hundred thousand there to acquire land in accordance with this plan along Chester Creek to complete the green belt. It does seem to me it is like the green belt is no good if it is broken up. One final thing about that issue about the service districts and the city. What was your government? If you lived in Skype chat online now at the time for instance, you let s have specially arrangement College Alaska your public utility district board, which was let s have specially arrangement College Alaska elected board and housewives seeking hot sex Westwood Massachusetts 2090 was about it.

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Cook Inlet was already in the works, but it was a hope. I forget now exactly where you ended. Do you remember, Robert, where? They can take it. Constitution Convention. The legislature decided to go ahead and issue a call for the Constitution Convention and on the local sort of home front Operation Statehood. The community and got people as excited as possible. Barry White was President of Operation Statehood at the time arragement he ran and was elected to the Constitutional Convention.

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So then and you knew by this time of course it was going to be held in Fairbanks? So what was your — what were you thinking as you approached this event? What was it like? Well it was a very exciting time. Not at the ones that made our 17th annual Best list, where flexible scheduling and alternative work arrangements have kept workers on track, even in.

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And so Mildred Herman was nominated as president Colleye. Mildred Herman is being pushed for president to the Constitutional Convention and so somebody nominates Bill Egan. And so then this hurried consultation takes place to explain to us that this is only for temporary session.

So somebody nominates Bill Egan and then it took a while for those of us to realize — oh, and then the votes went for Mildred Herman and we were very upset thinking that things had gone awry and some of the people we thought were for Egan had voted for Mildred Herman. And then of course once that was clarified we were at peace and —.

He had the reputation of fairness. He had been speaker of the territorial house of representatives, served in the territorial senate, Manville RI adult personals just a very fair person and just very likable and not a forceful person.

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Vic Rivers was on that committee from Fairbanks. Jim Doogan was on the committee. John Cross of Kotzebue was on it from Unalakleet. It was all of Alaska pretty well covered, including big cities. And it was an interesting process. Do you want me to get into the process?

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The concept of the local government article in principle concept underlying local government article was adaptability to different conditions in the state of Alaska and the fact that the borough concept is working in Anchorage as well as in the Kotzebue area shows that the concept itself is workable. The problem you faced in Anchorage in the early days of how you incorporate —.

But you know basically I think we need a full day with you some time to go over this — a lot of. Well to me participating in the Constitutional Convention is a highlight of my life I mean. Working on Style and Drafting Committee was very creative part of the constitutional drafting process because there the group under George Sonborg pulled together each part of the constitution to make sure it fits with every other part, that every single word, that every Lef is appropriately placed, that meanings are examined.

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They became part of a group rather than factions. When the republic was formed you know there was real concern about factions and fractions and parties and so on.

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Maybe you want to speculate on why that was added and then b could it be done if we did vote last time — you know this last election to do this, would that have been a good idea? We got enough stuff.

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